Used it years ago. Never used their sealer, but instead of shellac...
Was good lacquer, a bit more prone to crazing than McFadden's, but good.
No can help with epoxy....
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| Author: | mgcain [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:55 am ] |
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has anyone used this stuff on a guitar? it requires their vinyl sealer as well - Can anyone comment on using this? is it compatible with Z-poxy or system three as a pore filler? |
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| Author: | grumpy [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:47 am ] |
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Used it years ago. Never used their sealer, but instead of shellac... Was good lacquer, a bit more prone to crazing than McFadden's, but good. No can help with epoxy.... |
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| Author: | grumpy [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:50 am ] |
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arghh. I'm outta here 'til the edit button returns. First line should read "but instead used shellac" ta-ta 'til the button. Merry ho-ho! |
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| Author: | Rod True [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:54 am ] |
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[quote=Grumpio]arghh. I'm outta here 'til the edit button returns.[/quote] You've said that before  Promises, Promises (I'm kidding)
Same as Mario, I've used it, great lacquer, just seal with shellac, don't spend the $$ on their vinyl sealer. Also, don't think there would be any issues with it over epoxy, but I've not tried it so I can't say for sure. |
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| Author: | Bruce Dickey [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:16 am ] |
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What the Grump says, the Grump does! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Mario, see you on the flip side. |
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| Author: | TonyKarol [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:17 am ] |
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works fine over Zpoxy ..... no sealer ... |
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| Author: | TonyKarol [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:20 am ] |
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I should mention that in Canada, its sold as Mohawk, the mfr .... resold as Behlens in the US thru SM. |
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| Author: | Kirt Myers [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:53 am ] |
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I saw the Behlens on the Grizzy website yesterday and was wondering the same thing. Cool. Merry ho ho Grumps and everybody else for that matter. 
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| Author: | K.O. [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:18 am ] |
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That would make the coolest pick guard inlay!!! |
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| Author: | Howard Klepper [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:15 am ] |
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You don't need their vinyl sealer. What they should say is IF you want to use a lacquer-based sealer, then use the vinyl sealer. Vinyl sealer is lacquer based sealer--i.e., lacquer with stearate, plus vinyl. The stearate makes it sand better than plain lacquer. The vinyl does this, too, and problably gets better adhesion to the topcoat and improved flexibility over plain lacquer sanding sealer. But you don't have to use any sealer, and shellac works fine. The finishing companies are a bit misleading about sealers; they try to give the impression that you must use a particular sealer, when really sealers reduce adhesion and clarity. They are there if you want to sand again before the topcoat, which can speed production in commercial shops by eliminating some earlier sanding. Word I heard (haven't used it) is that Behlens instrument lacquer dries a bit softer than MacFaddens. But it works well. |
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| Author: | Howard Klepper [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:21 am ] |
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Mohawk is Behlens, BTW. |
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| Author: | grumpy [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:55 am ] |
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I actually found the Behlen's/Mohawk harder and easier to buff than the McFadden's. But as I said, it was more prone to cracking/crazing in temperature swings. I actually liked it for that reason... |
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| Author: | joe white(old) [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:58 am ] |
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Hey! I thought you were outa' here!  Glad you're stickin' around. We need to balance out all those pretty little happy posts.
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| Author: | JackBarton [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:09 pm ] |
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So if it is more prone to checking then is it safe to assume there are less plasticizers in it, compared to the McFadden's? Howard said he heard it cures a bit softer but Grumpy says it's harder. Personally I think it's a good sign if an instrument checks after years. I wish there was a way to chemically run a test and compare this stuff. I asked an old luthier friend of mine a couple of weeks ago if there is any nitro on the market that is similar to the "old formula" that Gibson had used during their "golden age". He said it's impossible because of the EPA. He didn't elaborate much after that. |
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| Author: | KenH [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:56 pm ] |
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I use the Behlen's for all of my guitars. It comes ready to spray, so there is no mixing or thinning required. I get a good even coat every time. It buffs easy too. I normally get it from stewmac, but I'll have to look into buying it in gallons from Mohawk. Thanks for the tip! |
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| Author: | KenH [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:57 pm ] |
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oh yeah, no vinyl sealer needed... it goes on good over zpoxy. |
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